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The AI Architect's avatar

The buying-believing split is such a sharp frame for understanding social change. What really lands is that 48% gap in Prop 12 voting, where people supported banning caged eggs they'd been buying for years. That's basically proof that consumer choice is a terrible proxy for moral intuition, and it suggests that policy might actualyl lead behavior change rather than follow it. The sprout metaphor works too, though I'd add that underground growth only translates to surface breakthroughs when you've got the institutional infrastructure (legal clinics, ballot initiatives, elite backing) to capitalize on shifting sentiment. Without that machinery, moral progress just stays latent.

Vasile Stănescu, Ph.D.'s avatar

It is confusing. 1. The number of vegetarians and vegans is somewhere around 9 percent (it is highly complicated; there are a host of opinion polls, but the best numbers we have suggest a number around 9 percent, perhaps 3 percent higher or lower). 2. We don't actually have numbers on animals consumed—no one keeps these. What we have are the totals of animals produced, which is often taken as the same thing but, in reality, is not. For example, up to 72% of the profit of the dairy industry may come from subsidies in all their various forms. So, it is wholly possible for meat consumption to decline and meat production to still stay high via the large amount of government subsidies and support. Again, to return to the example, there are literal caves filled with "government cheese" where the government has bought up surplus dairy to prop up the industry. So that is at least part of how we can have both relatively high numbers of vegetarians and vegans in the US and increased production numbers. Other factors include increased meat consumption by meat eaters—50% of all beef consumption in the US is now consumed by only 12% of the population—and exports. India, China, and Brazil have very high populations and historically very low levels of meat consumption; as they increase meat consumption, it can drive growth in world demand. I hope that helps.

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